Go Back   Point Man Ministries > Poems
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #21  
Old 06-23-2004, 05:20 PM
steve
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Fyi Becoming A Bore

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall
Tom Thumb wasn't very tall

Mary had a little lamb, oh yes
a little bo peep too, I guess.

Mother Goose told fairy tales
Peter Pan and ships with sails

Little red riding hood, what a gal
and the two little pigs, and their pal

Lots of wolfs, with great big teeth
Jingle bells, and a great big wreath

por pork porkey ppig, and elmer fudd,
house of straw, with a little mud

I think I saw a putty tat
living in shoes and things like that

All cartoons, but some seem real
and goldie locks, ate their meal

Bugs bunny, and then there's daffy
I'm sure there's one, with the name Kathy

beep beep, and off he goes
will he be caught, no one knows

Now there's sponge bob, and his square pants
picinic baskests, and lots of ants

Yogi Bear, and boo boo too
all made up for me and you

Don't forget Tweety, he's a bird
101 Dalmations, oh what a heard

Stories written, for one and all
Batman and Robin, who answer the call

Popey and Bluto, and Olive Oil
The moon is cheese, but it wont spoil

I could list, a whole lot more
but I don't want to become a bore

written by: steve cliche ....6/22/04
abbidy abbidy that's all folks ... lol

www.clichefantasyart.com
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 06-24-2004, 02:28 PM
steve
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Dog The Baby

I'm writing this, about the baby
A bundle of joy, there is no maybe
So sweet, so full of life
Cuts your heart, like a knife
Brings a smile to your face
Dress her up in bows and lace
I know that she is your world
A very precious little girl
Sent to you, for you to love
A gift from God, up above
You are smiling, this I bet
The baby loves, to get you wet
And you become, whatever she needs
And do the little, mother deeds
It all pays off in the end
All her love, she will send
Loves her mom, more than any
As for friends, she'll have many
But her best, will be you
All because, of what you do
You're her world, her place of peace
And your love will never cease
Love the baby, she's so fine
In her eyes, you love the shine
When you look, up to heaven
You thank God, 7 times 7
I know you stand, and watch her sleep
But her laughter, you still keep
What a day you two had
Not one moment were you sad
You're the mother of a treasure
And she is your little pleasure
Just to see her out at play
Touches your heart, makes your day
I'm so glad, she's in your heart
And to top it all, she's very smart
Yep you're lucky, you've got the baby
She's the best, there is no maybe
So spend your time, do it all
Love the baby while she's small
Watch her close as she sleeps
Love that's given is for keeps
Shhhhhh she's sleeping, be very quiet
When she's awake she's a riot
She is dreaming of her friends
And mom rests, at days end

written by: steve cliche .....6/24/04
www.clichefantasyart.com
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 06-25-2004, 07:04 AM
steve
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Confused What If

"What If"

what if
God had put wings on a cat

and what if skinny things all were fat

what if birds had great big heads
what if hippo's slept in beds

what if worms had really big feet
what if pigs were really neat

what if giraffes were tiny like bats
what if they did this in tiny little hats

what if bees were as big as a house
what if lions were as small as a mouse

what if dogs were all bright yellow
what if we all only ate Jell-O

what if trees could laugh out loud
what if snails raced through a crowd

what if everything was just what we chose
what if we all had forty-one toes

what if we only had two little teeth
what if boys were all named Keith

what if dogs meowed like cats
what if everyone slept on mats

what if you saw me as the king
what if I got to name everything

what if you could hear only me
what if I were all you see

what if these things were really true
what if I were actually you

written by: steve cliche ... the names in this poem
were changed to protect the innocent 6/24/04

www.clichefantasyart.com



Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 06-25-2004, 08:49 AM
steve
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Disappointed I Live Alone

I Live Alone

It becomes kinda natural, after twenty years or so,
I live alone, did you already know?

I used to go out, every Saturday night
get stoned; party down; and maybe fight.

Friday nights, it was just the same
while walking the edge, you're to blame

but now I live alone, and this you know
because I said what I said, and that makes it so.

We write the script, by the choices we make
and the Lord won't allow, more than we can take.

So don't be bummed out, if you live alone
it can be fine, this I've been shown.

I draw everyday, today I rode my bike
called up some friends, talked on my mic.

I'm writing this poem, watching jewel of the nile
because these new shows are not my style

but it's ok, because I set the tone
and it sounds very peaceful, cause I live alone.

written by: steve cliche
www.clichefantasyart.com

Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 06-25-2004, 03:27 PM
Trooper
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: I Live Alone

steve cliche


Ever wonder Why???
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 06-25-2004, 03:29 PM
Trooper
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Did I Ever Sleep

Steve
Are you awake now?
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 06-25-2004, 04:54 PM
steve
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: I Live Alone

troop are you trying to be crappy , or is it just coming across that way????....also in christ , steve
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 06-25-2004, 05:30 PM
ajusmc's Avatar
ajusmc ajusmc is offline
0369/0341
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 4,483
ajusmc is on a distinguished road
Re: I Live Alone

Steve, as in "Footprints in the Sand", when we are at our weakest the Lord showes his strenght. One set of prints in the sand, he carries you thru the fights and drugs. The Lord stays by your side thru thick and thin. So as we stay in our homes, secluded from the world, are we really alone?

~~AJ~~
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 06-25-2004, 06:20 PM
Trooper
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: I Live Alone

Quote:
Originally Posted by steve
troop are you trying to be crappy , or is it just coming across that way????....also in christ , steve

Steve
As a Pastor with a drug program, I personally don't like DRUG Poetry.

As far as me being Crappy:

It is a very small thing that I should be judged of you. (1 Corinthians 4:3)


Or in common vanacular, "Ain't no thing!"
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 06-25-2004, 08:43 PM
cj
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: I Live Alone

Good poem......Steve.
Got one of my own. I write too.

What Is This?

Funny how time seems to change our view
Making it real or go sometimes askew.
Time like a lantern can light up the dark,
Make a nightmare turn into a walk in the park.

Funny that those who parade in white clothes
Try to change a charade into honesty's rose.
As if they're afraid of a reality check,
By golly, by gosh, not me, by heck.

Denial of true thoughts and fear of life's game,
Hiding behind a pretense of His Name.
Coming and going and offers of grace,
But critical and biting with egg on their face.

Constructive criticism, is that what it is?
Constructive to who, not mine and not his.
The cry of a soul who says what he thinks
And you cannot stand it, and that really stinks.

What is this really and truly about?
Bringing in souls? Or just running them out.
Too many ministers are spoiling the fire.
Too many leaders in critical attire.

Where is the love of Jesus, my dear?
Flew out the window as He sheds a tear.
Accuse me as well for I've hurt from your thrust.
Delete and pretend if you really really must.

But remember this well, remember this day
When a soul cried out and you just turned away.
Instead of encouragement, you gave nothing but strife.
If you can't hear about it, it isn't gone from YOUR life.

So somewhere the truth lies in limbo today.
Just like your reactions to what people say.
Instead of reaching out in a real loving way...
You'd rather it all just go far far away.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 06-25-2004, 09:06 PM
dallee
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: I Live Alone

Lets expand a little on the verse previously quoted

It seems the church in Corinth has just split because the people were arguing over whom they followed, be it Paul or Appollos. Paul has just written a typical lengthy reply saying that it matters not whom the people say they follow as they should be following Christ and that both he and Appollos had labored to lay a foundationg upon which they could grow. That foundation being Christ who comes from God anyhow.

In chapter 4 Paul says:
So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court indeed, I do not even judge myself. My consciense is clear, BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME INNOCENT. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time, wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Appollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying 'do not go beyond what is written" Ten you will not take pride in one man over against another. For who makes differnent from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?



In light of this passage of scripture i am just curious, who is judging whom here?

In my personal testimony I mention my past use of drugs, so does my pastor who taught me how to give my testimony. Although he does not have his own drug program, he does have a heart hungry to lead lost souls to Christ and he is quite good at it. Mainly because he is real and the people relate to him. I have never heard him sound off with an aire of superiority or with the callousness to ambiguously comment on someone's words. This is a man that I admire deeply. I wish all could learn from him how little this stuff means when compared to eternity.

Asking if you are "being crappy or does it just sound that way" is not judging, it is asking a question.

Calling this poem "drug poetry" is stretching it a bit.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 06-25-2004, 09:25 PM
cj
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Blue Re: I Live Alone

Quote:
Originally Posted by dallee
Lets expand a little on the verse previously quoted

It seems the church in Corinth has just split because the people were arguing over whom they followed, be it Paul or Appollos. Paul has just written a typical lengthy reply saying that it matters not whom the people say they follow as they should be following Christ and that both he and Appollos had labored to lay a foundationg upon which they could grow. That foundation being Christ who comes from God anyhow.

In chapter 4 Paul says:
So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court indeed, I do not even judge myself. My consciense is clear, BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME INNOCENT. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time, wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Appollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying 'do not go beyond what is written" Ten you will not take pride in one man over against another. For who makes differnent from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?



In light of this passage of scripture i am just curious, who is judging whom here?

In my personal testimony I mention my past use of drugs, so does my pastor who taught me how to give my testimony. Although he does not have his own drug program, he does have a heart hungry to lead lost souls to Christ and he is quite good at it. Mainly because he is real and the people relate to him. I have never heard him sound off with an aire of superiority or with the callousness to ambiguously comment on someone's words. This is a man that I admire deeply. I wish all could learn from him how little this stuff means when compared to eternity.

Asking if you are "being crappy or does it just sound that way" is not judging, it is asking a question.

Calling this poem "drug poetry" is stretching it a bit.
************************************************** ******
Couldn't have said it better myself. AMEN! In our work with vets with alcohol and drug problems, My hubby usmc26th is never hesitant to tell them of his alcohol and drug days before finding a better way with the Lord. Never does he refuse their need to talk, write, phone or otherwise lay their hearts and feelings and emotions out in front of him. That is just part of the healing. We like Steve's poetry and in it see where he's been, see some of his heart, and see him using the poetry as a good outlet and that is not bad. As layman for Jesus, we are supposed to be able to listen without criticism. That's why I wrote the poem just before your post. We saw nothing in this poem "Alone" that would make it drug poetry nor did it in any way deserve such criticism. Christ would have us to reach out and understand, not judge and criticize. CJ
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 06-25-2004, 10:02 PM
dallee
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Did I Ever Sleep

I believe the amount of poetry he is sharing with you on this forum shows that he is indeed awake.
Do you talk to the people in your church like this? Is this how you train up believers to be sent out into the fields to work the harvest?
What is the purpose in leaving such a biting message? I truely do not understand. I do my best to encourage people and try to draw them to Christ and his family.

There was a time when I was the leader of the teen group at my local church, when I was having a terrible time getting them to pray out loud in front of their peers. I even had three of the pastor's own kids in my group. No one would do more than giggle, sometimes errupting into teenage laughter.
I finally asked them why and they replied because they were afraid of being laughed at. I told them I would not laugh at them and they replied with strained silence and then more giggles. I told them I could take them into the sanctuary and show them at least 150 people who would not laugh at them.
The pastor's daughter was the first to speak.
She said "Oh yeah? I hear my dad make fun of people's prayers all the time"


I knew I had no chance with any of them from that day on. I never could get that out of my mind. How can I lead to christ when the pastor and other leaders in the church will openly make fun of people in front of them?

As a minister, a leader in any capacity, it is your duty to live a life above reproach because leaders are there to be followed. If you are biting and sarcastic then it leaves that option open for your followers. Just look at the damage done by so many preachers who have gone astray. That has given half the world an excuse to stay away from "Christians"
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 06-26-2004, 03:41 AM
dallee
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: My Grandson

Just wanted to clarify that this poem was written by steve, I just posted it for him.
Although Cooper is cute and sweet enough for me to claim as my own grandson, I cannot claim credit for the poem.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 06-26-2004, 10:16 AM
steve
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Bounce Take A Peek

Take A Peek

I used to do drugs, but not any more,
I wouldn't even know how to score.
Actually I would probably gag,
if I went and bought a bag.

All your money goes down the drain,
and your life is full of pain.
You end up sad, oh so down
noone wants you around.

Can't be trusted; can't be calm,
you would rip off your own mom.

I've see people loose their life
and I've seen them loose their wife.
Loose their homes, live on the street
stick the needle in their feet.

And the search will never cease,
all they want is a little peace.
People do whatever they choose
that is why they drink booze.

I'm here to say it will not be,
it don't matter if your drugs are free.
Don't do drugs so you'll be in
but if you do, it's only sin.

For all have sinned and come short
you'll have a drink; you'll have a quart.
Yes booze is just another drug
but I understand, so here's a hug.

Hopefully you'll wake up some day
and start to look for another way.
Drugs were there just to please us
If you want a high, talk to Jesus.

I've seen guys with six months to live
not one thing do they have to give.
But the Lord even loves them,
if they will only turn to Him.

If you're on drugs; if you're on dope,
it's ok, there's still hope.
Don't let people put you down
you can always turn around.

We've all sinned, been in that stupor,
and yes, I mean even Trooper.
If you want to show a new way
be very careful what you say.

Cause if you don't, and you're mean
they won't listen ~ as you've seen.

Who do you really think you are?
I bet you think you're better by far.
You think that you are better than me,
but your sins, God can see.

Like your mind and how you think.
as for helping, you really stink.
I've been burned by your church
left me out, in the lurch.

Thinking that they are better,
standing there in a v neck sweater
suits and ties are not my trip
so please, troop, just shut your lip.

Walk a while in my shoes,
then tell me your dont's and do's.
Have you ever lost a child?
Or has your walk been very mild?

Did you ever meet your mother?
Get a clue; be a brother.
You're not helping by being a jerk
or is this just your little quirk?

Are you angry? Is that your sin?
Do you have your glass of gin?
What's your sin my loving brother?
I have mine; you have another.

So in the future keep in mind,
you win them over by being kind.
Don't talk of things you don't even know
don't tell me, where I should go.

Take care of Troop, and his sin,
Then to Christ you might win.
Why don't you shut up and pray,
then they won't just turn away.

You might even use your smarts,
and then MAYBE you'll win some hearts.

Yes I used to be on dope,
But now the Lord is my hope.
The Lord has taught me the real scoop,
He never said listen only to Troop.

If I didn't already know,
your words would make me go
away from you, and what you say
I'd go find another way.

We are all to be the healer
you are more like the dealer.
They have no heart as they sell
they just think .. Oh well.

Think a bit before you speak
in your heart you need to peek.
It's ok Troop, we all sin,
did before ~ will again.

So chill out bro, get a grip,
this is my little trip.
When you want to say a thing,
try to say it like the King.

Use some love and understanding,
don't be crappy and demanding.
This will turn away the weak,
look at you; take a peek.

written by: steve cliche ... 6/26/04

www.clichefantasyart.com


Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 06-26-2004, 12:07 PM
danausmc's Avatar
danausmc danausmc is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: West Seneca NY
Posts: 198
danausmc is on a distinguished road
Re: Take A Peek

Quote:
Originally Posted by steve
Take A Peek

I used to do drugs, but not any more,
I wouldn't even know how to score.
Actually I would probably gag,
if I went and bought a bag.

All your money goes down the drain,
and your life is full of pain.
You end up sad, oh so down
noone wants you around.

Can't be trusted; can't be calm,
you would rip off your own mom.

I've see people loose their life
and I've seen them loose their wife.
Loose their homes, live on the street
stick the needle in their feet.

And the search will never cease,
all they want is a little peace.
People do whatever they choose
that is why they drink booze.

I'm here to say it will not be,
it don't matter if your drugs are free.
Don't do drugs so you'll be in
but if you do, it's only sin.

For all have sinned and come short
you'll have a drink; you'll have a quart.
Yes booze is just another drug
but I understand, so here's a hug.

Hopefully you'll wake up some day
and start to look for another way.
Drugs were there just to please us
If you want a high, talk to Jesus.

I've seen guys with six months to live
not one thing do they have to give.
But the Lord even loves them,
if they will only turn to Him.

If you're on drugs; if you're on dope,
it's ok, there's still hope.
Don't let people put you down
you can always turn around.

We've all sinned, been in that stupor,
and yes, I mean even Trooper.
If you want to show a new way
be very careful what you say.

Cause if you don't, and you're mean
they won't listen ~ as you've seen.

Who do you really think you are?
I bet you think you're better by far.
You think that you are better than me,
but your sins, God can see.

Like your mind and how you think.
as for helping, you really stink.
I've been burned by your church
left me out, in the lurch.

Thinking that they are better,
standing there in a v neck sweater
suits and ties are not my trip
so please, troop, just shut your lip.

Walk a while in my shoes,
then tell me your dont's and do's.
Have you ever lost a child?
Or has your walk been very mild?

Did you ever meet your mother?
Get a clue; be a brother.
You're not helping by being a jerk
or is this just your little quirk?

Are you angry? Is that your sin?
Do you have your glass of gin?
What's your sin my loving brother?
I have mine; you have another.

So in the future keep in mind,
you win them over by being kind.
Don't talk of things you don't even know
don't tell me, where I should go.

Take care of Troop, and his sin,
Then to Christ you might win.
Why don't you shut up and pray,
then they won't just turn away.

You might even use your smarts,
and then MAYBE you'll win some hearts.

Yes I used to be on dope,
But now the Lord is my hope.
The Lord has taught me the real scoop,
He never said listen only to Troop.

If I didn't already know,
your words would make me go
away from you, and what you say
I'd go find another way.

We are all to be the healer
you are more like the dealer.
They have no heart as they sell
they just think .. Oh well.

Think a bit before you speak
in your heart you need to peek.
It's ok Troop, we all sin,
did before ~ will again.

So chill out bro, get a grip,
this is my little trip.
When you want to say a thing,
try to say it like the King.

Use some love and understanding,
don't be crappy and demanding.
This will turn away the weak,
look at you; take a peek.

written by: steve cliche ... 6/26/04

www.clichefantasyart.com



Steve,
How is it when you dont like a question or someones response, you call them crappy??? But you respond with the same attitude you decry??

If I had blocked you from the start, when people complained about your work, no one would get to know you or your work. It took all of us at least 30 plus years since the war to get to where we are now. How do you expect anyone to understand ......without first getting to know your work....we all took a different path to get here, but we are here now. And so are you.

We can only respond from our own experience.....and if your "poems" bring out the bad experiences to draw from, what do you expect.??

The trouble with this form of communication is you cant get the tone or inflection of face to face and you have to guess......the meaning. Someone questions you, you need to be able to share your beliefs.
Dana
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 06-26-2004, 12:38 PM
dallee
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Take A Peek

just for claification Steve did not call Trooper crappy. He innocently and honestly asked if the comment left was meant to sound crappy, or if he was just taking it that way. Trooper decided to respond by calling " I live alone" drug poetry, which it is not.

Dana if you really think you should block Steve's poetry go for it. You are the one who will have to answer to God for that. If people want to complain that is their right. Let them.

What is the real purpose of this site anyhow? You say you want to draw hurting vets close to Christ, but if they dont automatically conform to the mold you think they should you are all rude to them. I dont get it. How are you going to reach out to hueting vets? They are not sweet, nice executice officers, who wear suits and speak with manners or silly accents. Most of the ones who need to be reached are weekend bikers, living on the edge of society who use drugs and dont come to christian websites.

If this were my ministry I would be ecstatic to see steve and his work. When you get one of "their own" others will follow. I cannot believe that you call this a ministry yet you only welcome the nice, sweet, gentle people who make you feel good.
Were you guys really in Viet Nam?
Did you really experience Viet Nam? Steve is not the first to have this reaction to it. Why are all of you "ministers" not wrapping your arms around him and welcoming him? Why are you not talking directly to him? Why are you not praying with him to help him find peace and healing? My stars, I was never in the military, and am not a minister. But I know what Jesus in His ministry. He went to the where the whores, the lepers, the poor, the disease ridden,and the reviled tax collectors were. Yes he also went to synagogs. And they treated him worse than you are treating Steve at the end, but it started out with an air of superiority, They said just let him "post" his crap, it is all hype and soon it will go away. When it didnt go away they started making snide little comments and asking questions designed to trip him up. Steve did not say what you are accusing him of saying. Several of us thought that Troopers comments were not very nice. Steve asked him instead of assuming something incorrectly. Trooper confirmed with a very rude and innappropriately quoted scripture.

I would love to see someone respond to the comments that have been left by myself and others concerning this.

Dale
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 06-26-2004, 12:58 PM
danausmc's Avatar
danausmc danausmc is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: West Seneca NY
Posts: 198
danausmc is on a distinguished road
Re: Take A Peek

Quote:
Originally Posted by dallee
just for claification Steve did not call Trooper crappy. He innocently and honestly asked if the comment left was meant to sound crappy, or if he was just taking it that way. Trooper decided to respond by calling " I live alone" drug poetry, which it is not.

Dana if you really think you should block Steve's poetry go for it. You are the one who will have to answer to God for that. If people want to complain that is their right. Let them.

What is the real purpose of this site anyhow? You say you want to draw hurting vets close to Christ, but if they dont automatically conform to the mold you think they should you are all rude to them. I dont get it. How are you going to reach out to hueting vets? They are not sweet, nice executice officers, who wear suits and speak with manners or silly accents. Most of the ones who need to be reached are weekend bikers, living on the edge of society who use drugs and dont come to christian websites.

If this were my ministry I would be ecstatic to see steve and his work. When you get one of "their own" others will follow. I cannot believe that you call this a ministry yet you only welcome the nice, sweet, gentle people who make you feel good.
Were you guys really in Viet Nam?
Did you really experience Viet Nam? Steve is not the first to have this reaction to it. Why are all of you "ministers" not wrapping your arms around him and welcoming him? Why are you not talking directly to him? Why are you not praying with him to help him find peace and healing? My stars, I was never in the military, and am not a minister. But I know what Jesus in His ministry. He went to the where the whores, the lepers, the poor, the disease ridden,and the reviled tax collectors were. Yes he also went to synagogs. And they treated him worse than you are treating Steve at the end, but it started out with an air of superiority, They said just let him "post" his crap, it is all hype and soon it will go away. When it didnt go away they started making snide little comments and asking questions designed to trip him up. Steve did not say what you are accusing him of saying. Several of us thought that Troopers comments were not very nice. Steve asked him instead of assuming something incorrectly. Trooper confirmed with a very rude and innappropriately quoted scripture.

I would love to see someone respond to the comments that have been left by myself and others concerning this.

Dale

You missed my entire point. You are offended over nothing. Steve, who chooses to only post verse and not dialogue with anyone, is more than welcome here.
I did not ever say I was going to, or did block his ability to post here.
What do you expect?

You really want all of us to talk a certain way?

Each person is different and has different experiences. What do you know about Vietnam except what others have told you?? Not everone is a biker or drug user and many that are so called successful, were drug users, drinkers, bikers, and all kinds of bad at one time or another. There were three and a half million men and women on the ground in Vietnam and everyone of them has a different experience.

Someone posted here once that you needed to have at least 6 1/2 years in combat to have PTSD. You think thats right? Many people jumped on that right away, and the person was able to clarify what they meant. And life went on.

There is a place for dialogue and the poems is a place for folks like Steve to express their feelings, and emotions, of which he does a very fine job.

What do you think the point of all this is? INCLUDING THE POEMS? I dont believe that Steve or anyone else posts their work to intice a war, but my goodness, it cant all be one sided.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 06-26-2004, 01:15 PM
Trooper
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Take A Peek

If I personaly like steve's poetry or not, should not have any effect on anyone else. It's my problem, not yours. As far as names go, "sticks and stones", I work in the County Mental Hospital, I get called a lot worse every night. That to is MY problem. In all honesty, I was slightly Flattered that Steve responded, shows he's got guts and is willing to stand up for himself. My opinion of Steve, not that my opinion means anything, has actually improved.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 06-26-2004, 02:05 PM
dallee
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Take A Peek

What are you talking about Dana?

Steve wrote a poem about living alone and how that was ok now that he doesnt live the way he used to. Trooper left the snide remark asking if he ever wondered why. That was rude. Steve did not start anything. He just posted a poem and when he got that response he rightly asked if that was meant to sound crappy or if it just came accrossed that way.

What trooper responded with was inappropriate.

As far as what I know about vietnam ~ I know that there are a lot of hurting people out there who were in nam. To Quote Chuck Dean

1. Of those veterans who were married before going to Viet Nam, 38 percent were
diviorced within six months after returning from Southeast Asia.

2. The divorce reat for all Viet Nam Veterans is in the nintieth percentile.

3. Between 40 and 60 percent of all Viet Nam veterans have persistent problems
with emotional adjustment.

4. The suicide rate among veterans who have completed the local VA program is
estimated at 2.5 per hundred. the national accidental death and suicide rate is
fourteen thousand men per year - 33 percent above the national average.

5. Fifty-eight-thousand-plus Americans died in the Viet Nam war. Over 150,000
have committed suicide since the war ended.

6. Five hundred thousand Viet Nam veterans have been arrested or incarcerated
by the law. It is estimated that there are 100,000 Viet Nam vets in prison
today and 200,000 out on parole.

7. Drug-and alcohol abuse problems range between 50 percent and 75 percent.

8. Forty percent of Viet Nam veterans are unemployed and 25 percent earn less
than seven thousand per year.

also I know that a large percentage of Viet Nam verterans joined motorcycle clubs and this was confirmed in the book Nam Vet. During the war many vets became so accustomed to carrying weapons that it was difficult to be away from them when they returned to the states, ... Since motorcycle clubs,such as the Hell's Angles, tend to live a hardcore life, weapons are commonplace. What unit espirit and pride these guys had missed in Viet Nam they instantly obtained in their membership in these hard riding clubs.
And,
I know that God has put a special love in my heart for the vets who cant come home, and the comments made in response to "A Lie" that were also removed with the poem put a strain on my heart. To call these guys stereotypicall and accuse him of crying "poor me" " I am a viet nam vet and I have problems" shows a callousness that i did not expect to find on a christian site. I also was shocked to see that instead of anyone sending him a message saying hey welcome to the group, you are saying that he needs to jump in there and tell you about himself. That is what he is doing through his poetry.

My response is to the callous and rude way you and trooper have decided to talk to him.

But you know what, I dont need to stand up for Steve he is more than able to and he is not intimidated.

One thing is for certain, I have not felt the love of Christ on this site, and I do not feel welcome. So this will probably be my last post. I do want to minister to hurting vets, but not here.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
PmimChat.com copyright 2003-2014 All rights reserved. Content published on PmimChat.com requires permission for reprint.