Has PTSD dinged you out of a Job?

[snowyowl]

I've been curious if part of my problem looking for work has been my PTSD and Depression. If it can be so apparent on the tests, resumes, interviews that they'll look at others and not me. Mind you I've never had history of alcohol or drug usage. It's been in essence three years since employed. I'm still appealling SSDI.
Has anyone else had this experience in the last 2-5 years?

[ReconSGT_OIF]

:opps: Yep. I was recently denied for a job at the Goodyear tire plant in Lawton Oklahoma. The interview went really great until he asked why I left the Military. So I told him it was a medical disgharge for PTSD from OIF... and you could tell by the look on his face that he couldnt get me out of the interview room fast enough while still saving face. Thats not the only time recently that I feel potential employment has been crashed. Here is my question... Is it legal to not tell the whole truth about my history to get a job? Because in Oklahoma, I can only draw unemployment for a year. And the VA's piddley 10% they slapped on ptsd gives me a whole $106 a month( wooooooo!:cross-eye ) Not enough to provide for a family of 5. Going to my Voc-Rehab counseling tomorrow morning to see if they will let me go to school to learn something else. Not a whole lot that a burned out artilleryman can do in todays job market.

[Shawn Powell]

Hey OIF,

You thought about Federal Law Enforcement?
United States Border Patrol... next open period for applying is in March 05....

Shawn. :dog: :dog: :icon14: :icon14:

[ReconSGT_OIF]

well, how deep do they look into your file... Before I was discharged, my psychiatrist put me on profile that said "no access to weapons or ammunition". I have a feeling that would be frowned upon when looked at for a job like that.:opps:

[ajusmc]

well, how deep do they look into your file... Before I was discharged, my psychiatrist put me on profile that said "no access to weapons or ammunition". I have a feeling that would be frowned upon when looked at for a job like that.:opps:
DOT airport screeners, if I remember right they do not require weapons.

[snowyowl]

What about SSDI?

[ReconSGT_OIF]

SSDI? Well, ive applied for that too, but it looks like we'll have to wait for all the red tape from the beurocratic system to get that started. If they are anything like the VA and just deny people the first time around just because they either hate people, or are too backed up to worry about new claims... then I may have to wait for a while before i hear anything. :bandit:

[Stickthrower]

Well as of 1200 hrs today I am unemployed. I was terminated by the County due to my PTSD. Reason stated was the Dept Shrink decided in her infinate wisdom I was not able to deal with stress. Despite the fact that my medical Doctor, Therapist and Phsyciatrist have released me to return to duty. Oh well, I guess her 20 minute conversation with me holds more credibility that three other doctors, especially since two of the three I have known for years. Go figure.

Well now it's back to the streets looking for work. Hopefully God's plan for me is not to far out in the future. I have given control of my life over to the Lord as I'm sure He can run it better than I ever could! For I know when I was in control that my life was a nightmare.

I am using my tools for sure. I will not let this get me down! My best tool is believing in the Lord and keeping my faith in Him. For I know his plan is much better that any I could ever come up with on my own.

We are having our first ever Point Man Chapter meeting in Ellensburg, Wa on April 7th. Very appropriate timing I would say!

Brothers I would ask for your prayers for my family and I that work comes along soon. God Bless you all for your support.

[Dean Black]

Hey Recon, you can go see a Congressional Rep and ask them for help. That's what they are elected for. Let them get you registered as unemployable then the Veterans Administration will have to pay you at least 60% Disability; then Social Security has to pay you disability. Take advantage of the Politician for a change. They are Employees of the people and in my opinion aren't Qualified to wipe the sweat off a Vets Balls. God has a plan for each of us and I know He will provide for us. God bless and know that I am praying for you and Stickthrower.
Dean

[Pointman69]

Frank - are you service connected for PTSD? If so, I would think it's an ideal time to apply for an upgrade based on the vast knowledge of your department shrink. Get a copy of her decision and go see your Veteran's Service Officer. Use this disappointment as a tool that God has put in your hands. Apply for unemployability at the same time and it could easily bring you up to 100%.

Keep the faith - there's no one else worthy of total trust. You love Him and are called according to His purpose, so He will use all things for your good.

Remember, He chose us long before we made that one good decision. It was His choice that means we are called according to His purpose. He knows our understanding will flip-flop depending on our preception of current circumstances. So, He didn't leave it up to us to screw things up. He is working out His purpose in you every day, even through the times that our understanding see as so difficult.

You know it takes fertilizer to make things grow. Let this **** give a shot of energy to your faith. God loves it when we can thank Him in all things. He also understands the weakness of our flesh when we fail. He is in the process of exchanging our old view of life with the reality of life in His spirit - you are a winner in His mind, no matter what.

God simply says, "OK, here's the situation, we can do this the easy way, or the hard way." He's teaching us to dhoose the easy way. He will not stop that work in us until the day Jesus returns. Thank you Lord!

[Stickthrower]

Pointman69,
You brought out some good points. I am filling out the paperwork for a VA claim at this time. Our first Pointman meeting is for 4/7/05 and there is supposed to be someone there that is a Guru on VA claims. So I will be prepared for him so I can pick his brain.

I have already requested my therapist get copies of all three of the Dept Shrinks's reports where she has stated that my PTSD is Army related and prevents me from returning to any form of Law Enforcement,so I have it in writting.

On Monday I will also go to file for unemployment. I am also contacting the County HR office to see what I else is available as well as cashing in my retirement fund-that should help feed the family/bills for awhile.

Fortunately I will still have medical for myself and children thru Jun 30 as I was on FMLA. So that also helps.

I am looking at this as a chance of a lifetime to get my life on track with the Lord and discover what He has planned for me. Last night I had a long prayer with the Lord in which I thanked him for giving me this chance at a new life.

I am keeping my faith and will use the "setback" as a new door opening in His plan for my family.

Thanks for the support & I would ask that you continue to pray the Lord gives me the strength, wisdom, and guidance needed for this new path He has chosen.

[Don Dodson]

Frank: Be careful before you cash out your retirement funds. If you can hang in there until your personnel appeals play out you may get a "reasonable accommodation" in some other job classification that allows you to keep building credits for the future. Maybe not what you want right now, but governments are usually more likely to follow the Americans with Disabilties Act than private companies. More later. PRAYING FOR ALL YOU GUYS! I was let go in 1986. Felt like I had been crushed, but looking back it was the best thing that could have happened. Keep your compass clean!

Don Dodson

[snowyowl]

Stickthrower I was dinged out of US Customs and WA Dept of Corrections because of PTSD and Depression due to shrinkshrink. I tried to get a medical exemption with Customs alas no avail and WA DOC simply didn't go any further than what the shrinkshrink said.
What about working in support role for LE? Hopefully the same criteria isn't used or I'm down the tube again. :hurt:

[Stickthrower]

Snowyowl,
I don't know about a LE Support officer role. It was not offered to me where I work. But I would not think it should matter since in no way shape or form would you be responsible for inmates or dealing with a "High Stress" situation. But I would not mention the PTSD or Depression unless asked. Goes back to the old "Didn't ask so don't volunteer".

I got the impression my boss just wanted me out the door. So I am trying some new avenues, medical retirement, VA disability, ect.

[Don Dodson]

Recon Sgt OIF said: "The interview went really great until he asked why I left the Military. So I told him it was a medical discharge for PTSD from OIF... and you could tell by the look on his face that he couldn't get me out of the interview room fast enough while still saving face. ... Here is my question... Is it legal to not tell the whole truth about my history to get a job?"

As a former HR person, here is my opinion: A potential employer is entitled to truthful answers to questions. God gives us no exemption from that. They are entitled to our best estimate of our ability to fulfill the "essential functions" of the job, "with or without reasonable accommodation." That's the law of the land. Someone told me one time that what sinks more job applicants is their nervous desire to keep talking. Just answer the questions! BUT, answer them in your own way. A question like "why did you leave the military?" is a valid question and can be answered in a number of ways:

1) As much as I loved serving my country in a time of need, I believe it is better for my family and me to serve in a civilian capacity. For example, this job you are interviewing for give me an opportunity to serve by .... (fill in the essential functions). (You have taken the punch and turned it to your favor, like verbal Judo.)

2) (Looking down at the floor for a second, taking a deep breath, then looking the interviewer right in the eye) War is a terrible, yet strangely fulfilling experience. I have learned that I am trustworthy under fire, able to make quick decisions when other people's lives depend on me, gather information quickly and stay alive. But it came with a high price for me and my family. (depending on the interviewer's facial expression, maybe pause right here. Let him/her ask the follow up question, but I'd be willing to bet you a cup of coffee he/she won't ask the follow up question; they will be ready to cry for you. They may go ahead and ask, "What kind of discharge did you receive?" Answer them and pause again.

3) I have been wounded. But I have carefully examined the duties for this job and have absolutely no doubt in my mind I can master this job rapidly and become a productive member of your team. As a Non-Commissioned Officer, I learned to become a team leader, and I know the best leaders are also great followers. If you give me the opportunity to serve with your team, I know you will be pleased. (notice how quickly we got off the subject of disability???)

Guys, I wish I could be there to face-to-face encourage each of you during these awful periods of uncertainty! But as one of you pointed out, these are the times we can use the feelings of rejection, fear, uncertainty and anger to grow closer and more dependent upon God our Heavenly Father. We are all in the process of being de-earthed and made closer to the image of Christ, our Elder Brother and role model. Get close to a small group of people in your town that will pray with and for you. If you were in San Diego, we'd be having lunch or a family dinner every little while to keep your nutritional intake and morale up. Seek out the social service agencies whose job it is to match you up with various assistance programs and maximizing your benefits. Make sure you don't forget to get treatment specific to PTSD. Somewhere else at this site I posted www.emdr.com (http://www.emdr.com), one of the most helpful treatments I have had, utilizing God's design specs for our brains.

Although it doesn't feel like it, you are not alone!!!! Many of us spent years struggling with jobs and circumstances until we stepped back and listened to God, through many different people. Don't isolate yourself or become too self-absorbed. Now that you may have more time on your hands, fill some of that time with public service, volunteering, visiting shut-ins or imprisoned, helping with a Bible study, washing dishes, trimming weeds for elderly, etc. etc. Every town has needs and maybe you are the one God has destined to have some time right now to meet someone else's needs. What I know for sure is that when I am willing to bless God by helping someone else, first, He always finds a way to bless me.

Praying for you all. WELCOME HOME!

Don Dodson
DodsonOboeVet@NorthernTrail.net

[ReconSGT_OIF]

Well, since my last post in here I actually landed a job. Its thru a personnel service and when the "question" was asked, what I told the interviewer was that i recieved an honorable discharge. Then she asked if there was a chance I would be called up again, and i assured her that I had done my mandatory 8 years and my contract was completed. So ive been here for 2 weeks now. On a higher note I have an appointment with the VA VocRehab people tomorrow morning. Lets see what they offer me. My dream is to learn prosthetics and go to work for the VA and keep my time in service. So please pray for me tomorrow.

[snowyowl]

Well got something back from Federal Civil Service that says I'm qualified but not among the best qualified for the job so I take that as "Nice try, no such luck, try again".
Getting paperwork together for VA Pension non-service connected-What the hay...

[Don Dodson]

Snowyowl: With every "no thanks" you get closer to the "you are just what we are looking for." Don't lose heart, God has a plan for you. Are you getting enough feed back during the interview process to figure out what is sinking you?

Don Dodson

[O'BOOT]

To All Of You Who Have Had A Hard Time After Gettin Out Of The Corps..
Ie:finding Work
I Jest Want You All To Know That I Have Been There I Frought Va For My Non-service Pension So I Know Jest How The System Can And Will Bring You Down
But Try As Hard As It Is To Understand It Is There Job[v.a.] To Keep Up Away From Any The Benifet's You Are Entilled To. Jest Don't Give Up.. I Am Hear Praying For You All[even After I Have Been Told I Can Not Help Becouse I Am A Morman] Which Has Nothing To Do With You Getting The Help You Need From V.a. Or My Pray's...

[charlie wardog]

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<TABLE cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=10></TD><TD class=standard-2>The Department of Veterans Affairs will hire 50 veterans of Operations Iraqi and Enduring Freedom (OIF/OEF) to provide outreach services to veterans returning from Afghanistan and Iraq. They will join 50 other OIF/ OEF outreach counselors already hired by VA. The outreach counselors will brief servicemen and women leaving the military about VA benefits and services available to them and their family members. They will also encourage new veterans to use their local Vet Center as a point of entry to VA and its services. The new outreach counselors will be located in the 206 Vet Centers operated by VA throughout the country, especially near military out processing stations.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>:dancing:

[charlie wardog]

Call me with questions.
Matt
740-522-6724

[Stickthrower]

Wonderful,
Kind of makes you think someone with brass on their collar finally woke up and smelled the coffee!!!:dancing: :dancing:

[snowyowl]

Well folks, I might just have a job tomorrow. I do a ride-along with a medical patient transport service. Sort of a scaled down version of what I did in the Air Force Reserve. See how it goes though I believe I'm up to it.

[Stickthrower]

SNOWYOWL,

GREAT NEWS-KEEP US POSTED1:dancing: :dancing: :dancing:

[Don Dodson]

DITTO!

Don "Oboeman" Dodson
(Vietnam 1969-1970)

[snowyowl]

Get this guys-I actually have a roughly 8 to 5 job that's Monday thru Friday, Saturdays are optional and overtime. The last job I had like that (Except out in the field) was when I was in the Army.
I worked swings and grave shifts for what 20 some odd years for the phone company in computer mainframes. To me M-F and 8-5 jobs were mythological and didn't exist.

[Stickthrower]

SNOWYOWL, GREAT NEWS!!:dancing: :dancing: :dancing: I KNOW SOMETIMES IT IS HARD, BUT WHEN WE HAVE FAITH IN THE LORD HE WILL TAKE CARE OF US. THE HARDEST PART IS THAT HIS SCEDULE AND OURS ARE SOMETIMES DIFFERENT & WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL HE IS READY.:dancing: :dancing: :dancing:

[Victory]

I couldn't get a job for over 2 years and I had a Masters Degree in Education and had taught for 10 years.:opps:



Sang the blues and fiddled a few tunes....
then I got my disability and now
life resumes.......With Jesus of course!!:dancing:

[danausmc]

I couldn't get a job for over 2 years and I had a Masters Degree in Education and had taught for 10 years.:opps:



Sang the blues and fiddled a few tunes....
then I got my disability and now
life resumes.......With Jesus of course!!:dancing:


Victory, welcome to the site. Jump in anywhere you like. Dont worry if it takes a while to get a response. This is a message board and sometimes folks only look at it once a day and are on here at all different hours of the day or night.

[Victory]

Dana:
Thanks for the welcome. Are you the same Dana who is the PMIM Board President?

Vic

[danausmc]

Dana:
Thanks for the welcome. Are you the same Dana who is the PMIM Board President?

Vic

Yes, that would be me. I posted this earlier but I dont see the first one.
D

[Victory]

Hello Dana...pleased to meet you. You will be hearing about me soon. My "homie" is the representative for my state (New Mexico) and he will be contacting you about sending me the paperwork to open a new chapter here in the northern part of the state. There are about 20 vets who served in Vietnam from my little hometown of about 100 population. We are having a "Stand Down" on June 4th here in northern NM. I will probably be talking to you soon about more info on this ministry.

Victor

[Victory]

Want to hear about a slap in the face against Vietnam vets? I was not hired or passed up when I applied for a job at a local college...and I have a Masters Degree and have been a teacher for 10 years...yet a Ameri-Asian (South Vietnamese) without any degree nor any teaching credentials was hired. Really ironic isn't it?

[snowyowl]

Hi Everyone, I've been busy working and haven't had time even to be online. My hours are usually 0800 to 1700-2000. Though I get weekends off :dancing: Housework, etc waits until the weekend :opps: oh well.
I got another month of job probation and then I'm regular :dancing:

[Don Dodson]

Snowyowl:

Thanks for the sitrep. You will always be a "regular" with God and with us, but it is good to hear you have a "port in the storm." Keep up the good work, but we do miss you here at the website.

Don "Oboeman" Dodson

[Stickthrower]

Snowyowl,

Great to hear things are going great for you!!!!!! Just keep the faith brother.:dancing: :dancing: :dancing:

[Stickthrower]

Well,
Things have not been going to well here lately. The Lord is supportive, howver the rest of the world is not. But we have all been there, done that! Due to financial constraints I am still looking for work. I have applied for disability thru the VA, but you know the time frame they work on. I'm afraid to go to work where they use my SSN # so I don't screw up my disability request through the VA. Kind of a catch 22.

I am a good finnish/trim carpenter, but since my leaving the Sheriff's Office, no one seems to need help, oh well I have been there & done that. Every where I go the doors seem to close as soon as I come in, but you know what, I don't care! The Lord will support me, I just need to open my eyes and look where he is directing me.

Please send prayers that will help me return to any kind of work and that my house sells soon!

[danausmc]

Well,
Things have not been going to well here lately. The Lord is supportive, howver the rest of the world is not. But we have all been there, done that! Due to financial constraints I am still looking for work. I have applied for disability thru the VA, but you know the time frame they work on. I'm afraid to go to work where they use my SSN # so I don't screw up my disability request through the VA. Kind of a catch 22.

I am a good finnish/trim carpenter, but since my leaving the Sheriff's Office, no one seems to need help, oh well I have been there & done that. Every where I go the doors seem to close as soon as I come in, but you know what, I don't care! The Lord will support me, I just need to open my eyes and look where he is directing me.

Please send prayers that will help me return to any kind of work and that my house sells soon!

The other thing to consider is this....when you were or have had employment, you are probably underemployed because of your PTSD. need to consider that too. If you were not afflicted...would you have a better job or been in some supervisory role by now in your previous one? That is a consideration that needs to be addressed by your VA counsellors too.

I am praying right now for a job, an income and a favorable end to this nightmare. Besides you need to head for Texas before the snow flies.

[snowyowl]

Hi Everyone,
It's been awhile, I know.
Stickthrower here are some hometraining ideas: Virtual Assistant, Medical Transcription, and there maybe something in the Legal profession as well. Point is you can train at home AND work from home. Clients don't need to be located near where you live, heck, there are Medical Transcriptionists in India doing work for Doctors here in America. Could even be a doctor in your area that's sending that work day to day to India and getting it back in timely fashion.

[Stickthrower]

Dana,
No doubt about my PTSD having restricted my ability to get promoted, etc at my last job. I was passed over in order to promote people with less experience and training. I have finally made piece with myself over not being able to return to Law Enforcement.

Now I just need to find work to help support my family until we can move to a place where I can get hired for something other than flipping burgers.

The hardest part is controlling my anxiety attacks/fears, etc and get back to work. Here everyone knows me and/or heard rumors etc. No such thing as a fresh start here. That's why I want to move ASAP.

I definately want to go before the snow flies, however I don't think that will happen as it is snowing as I type this. Oh well, the Lord has something planned and I just need to open my eyes to His plan.

[Don Dodson]

Frank:

I'll be praying for your situation to clarify. I heard a radio preacher yesterday afternoon talking about the trials that come our way, even as Believers. I know it is easy for me to say to you and way harder for me to DO when I'm under fire, but God assures us that in this life bad stuff IS going to happen to us, but the assurance is that He has not left us nor forsaken us. The radio guy also reminded me that God's timing is not our timing. It seems unfair that your house hasn't sold and your job plans are not working out. But God is preparing a buyer, and an employer and a new house for you. Keep close contact with Him and other believers who ban help you through this crisis. WELCOME HOME!

Don "Oboeman" Dodson
(Vietnam 1969-1970)

[Stickthrower]

Don & Snowyowl,
Thanks for the response. I am not giving up or lossing faith in the Lord by any means. And your are right about my timeline and the Lords being different. I just need to learn patience.

I know the Lord is testing me, however I just need to get past my personal demons so I can start feeling like a husband/father again. I guess I have been having a pity party & just need to get over feeling like s__t about myself.

Sometimes my PTSD is much better and then sometimes I seem to be afraid to even leave the house! Much less go out of my "comfort zone" and meet people cold turkey asking for work.

God has a better plan & I just need to keep looking until I see His plan. Thanks Guys!

[snowyowl]

Frank, in my case other than to rub salt into certain people's "wounds" spiritually speaking, I haven't a clue as to WHY I'm back in the same geographical area known as my "spiritual Vietnam". I looked for 3 1/2 years for a decent job and moved to three other geographical locations nationwide and applied nationwide looking for work. ALAS. Aargh! Yes I did and do want out of the big city period.

[Victory]

Dana,
No doubt about my PTSD having restricted my ability to get promoted, etc at my last job. I was passed over in order to promote people with less experience and training. I have finally made piece with myself over not being able to return to Law Enforcement.

Now I just need to find work to help support my family until we can move to a place where I can get hired for something other than flipping burgers.

The hardest part is controlling my anxiety attacks/fears, etc and get back to work. Here everyone knows me and/or heard rumors etc. No such thing as a fresh start here. That's why I want to move ASAP.

I definately want to go before the snow flies, however I don't think that will happen as it is snowing as I type this. Oh well, the Lord has something planned and I just need to open my eyes to His plan.
Frank;
You are right when you say that the Lord will support you, because He will. Just hold on to His promises which are many but especially remember this one because I believe it is the key to everything:
Matthew 6:19 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=6&verse=19&version=31&context=verse)
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.
Matthew 6:20 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=6&verse=20&version=31&context=verse)
But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.Give to God even of the little that you have and God will bless you with much. He WILL provide for all your needs but the key is "are we" doing our part. I am in no way saying that you are not but I just felt lead to mention this awesome truth in God's Word and how it truly applies to all of us in our walk with Him. It is an awesome truth that I have applied to my own life and the more I shovel into God's storehouse the more God shovels back...the only difference is that God's shovel is much bigger and I will NEVER outgive God! God bless you brother Frank and I will pray that God help you in everything.

Victory
"Nam 71-72"
Bite and Strike

[snowyowl]

Victory I like what you've said but believe we need specific definitions for earthly treasures and treasures stored in heaven for us.
It's like define "Peace with Honor", it's meaning changes with one's position on the political spectrum. Then again I'm not the only one that can walk away from family, possessions, home, and family-not look back-count it all loss and not to God's glory, rather the price of doing business. So what's the hold of earthly treasures in that case? Essentially it's what is in your rucksack for existance.

[Stickthrower]

Victory I like what you've said but believe we need specific definitions for earthly treasures and treasures stored in heaven for us.
It's like define "Peace with Honor", it's meaning changes with one's position on the political spectrum. Then again I'm not the only one that can walk away from family, possessions, home, and family-not look back-count it all loss and not to God's glory, rather the price of doing business. So what's the hold of earthly treasures in that case? Essentially it's what is in your rucksack for existance.

Snowyowl,
I'm in your corner, that needs more definition to me. For like many Vets suffering from PTSD, I can and have walked away with my rucksack and left everything.

In 1989 I took an ETS instead of re-uping for just 2 more years until retirement because my ex would get half of my retirement. Walked away no problem.

Then in 1990 I quit my job, left all family behind (many of whom I had not even bothered to see in 15 years or more) without even saying goodby, packed up my tools, fishing tackle, & saddle and drove away from Texas and ended up in Washington. I left a home, household possessions, everything else behind without looking back. Again, walking away from everything/everyone is easy for me.

I have never quite understood that passage as to how it related to me. It has always been easy for me. And I ashamed to say it seems like that is what I do when people/life get to close for comfort. Being alone is an easy answer to many of us. Till next time.

[ajusmc]

The first plane ride to Oki, wife was surprized when I turned to get on that plane that I didn't look back. Have always been able to the seabag drag without looking back. Don't really know where I would be today if I hadn't, but with the help of everyone have found out many things about myself. At times I have begun to wonder about this site, even though I put it together for everyone to use as they see fit, if the Lord guided me for my own escape to find out things that I was unaware of them hiding in me

[snowyowl]

Daniel Boone once said "All a man needs is a good gun, a good horse, and a good wife".
If I was stuck in the proverbial deep woods and couldn't find lead but found gold...guess what's going out the front end of my charcoal burner...yep golden round balls...that's my attitude toward this "most sought out precious metal"...that's some earthly treasure...

[snowyowl]

AJ, tongue in cheek "Do the seabag drag". A new term for this knuckle-dragger. :superhapp :superhapp

[danausmc]

AJ, tongue in cheek "Do the seabag drag". A new term for this knuckle-dragger. :superhapp :superhapp

Yep, thats a good one Al.
Sea bag drag.....yep.

[Stickthrower]

I may be an Army Grunt, but I was raised by a family of Squids! I just figgured I could walk further than I could swim. My Dad was on the US Lexington in the Coral Sea when it sank, then a Destroyer that got sank, an finally a Oiler which got sank. I figured with my luck, I would be on the only US Ship which got sank by a AK47 round, be responsible for a lot of deaths, and waited until I got drafted into the Army. Oh well, go figure. Most of my family was Navy: Subs, Aircraft Carriers, Destroyers, and even a few mud Marines. I grew up in more Navy tradition than you can imagine! I almost got disowned by going "ARMY". But I have always been a loner, even as a child. So for me PTSD was a natural state.

I finally understood my Dad and his "quirks", can you imagine being on three ships which got sank by the Japanise? He was 17 and joined the Navy just prior to Dec 7, so he ended up spending 51 months and go out after the war ended. No wonder PTSD struck me, I was born into it!

The "SEA BAG DRAG" means "You don't look back-no matter how much you want to".
:superhapp

[danausmc]

Thanks for being faithful to the site and each other brothers....it means a lot to me and my brother AJ.

And thank you all for your service to our great Country.

[ajusmc]

I almost got disowned by going "ARMY".
Even if we have many a tradition in each family. All branches have honor amoung themseleves.

[snowyowl]

Stickthrower I was raised Air Force, did three years Army, and Glory, Glory, I saw the light, and went back into the Air Force.
Actually it was the C-130s revving at 0600 every day that got me to thinking. I'm glad I did both though.
I'm looking up the Scriptures pertaining to Heavenly treasures. Post later.

[Victory]

Victory I like what you've said but believe we need specific definitions for earthly treasures and treasures stored in heaven for us.
It's like define "Peace with Honor", it's meaning changes with one's position on the political spectrum. Then again I'm not the only one that can walk away from family, possessions, home, and family-not look back-count it all loss and not to God's glory, rather the price of doing business. So what's the hold of earthly treasures in that case? Essentially it's what is in your rucksack for existance.

Earthly possessions are needed to survive and the "treasure" these specific scriptures are talking about are tithes and offerings. These are our treasures. Material things will just rot away and will do us no good in heaven. Tithes and offerings though are what God does ask of us. Whether we decide to give to God is ultimately our choice, and our blessings will come from God depending on our faithfulness in this area of our lives. "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also". God bless you.

[snowyowl]

Sorry this has taken quite awhile.
Here is some verses dealing with heavenly treasures:

Isaiah 33:5-6
5: The LORD is exalted, for he dwells on high; he will fill Zion with justice and righteousness;
6: and he will be the stability of your times, abundance of salvation, wisdom, and knowledge; the fear of the LORD is his treasure.

Matthew 13:44-46,52
44: "The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and covered up; then in his joy he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.
45: "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant in search of fine pearls,
46: who, on finding one pearl of great value, went and sold all that he had and bought it.
52: And he said to them, "Therefore every scribe who has been trained for the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old."

Matthew 6:20-21
20: but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal.
21: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

2 Corinthians 4:7 I think this bears studying in detail.
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, to show that the transcendent power belongs to God and not to us.

Colossians 2:1-4
1: For I want you to know how greatly I strive for you, and for those at La-odice'a, and for all who have not seen my face,
2: that their hearts may be encouraged as they are knit together in love, to have all the riches of assured understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, of Christ,
3: in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
4: I say this in order that no one may delude you with beguiling speech.

And the two following chapters:
Matthew 7
Luke 12

There is also the crowns mentioned in the New Testament.

[Victory]

Snowyowl:
These are very good points but are completely irrelevant to what I meant initially. I was talking about tithes and offerings, of which many tend to shy away from but it is indeed a very vital part of our walk here on earth. Malachi 4 explains to us very clearly how important these two elements of our salvation are. Why would the writer say that we have robbed God?? Because many of us have, which does not exclude me. God has given me much more than I could ever repay but it is my duty to still give my tenth. Malachi 3:10 tells us to bring our tithes into the storehouse (God's house; i.e. church).
Why do you think Jesus would take note of a poor widow who gave her last mite? I believe he did it to make a point. Giving is a sacrifice. If it isn't a sacrifice then it is not really trusting God for His sustenance. Our subsistence should be dependent on Him!!
And yes Luke 12:24.

[Stickthrower]

Well, I think it's official. I am unhirable. Today I was turned down for a job as a manager of a car wash of all things. They hired some kid, said I was "overqualified" and they were afraid I would not work out to their satisfaction!

So far I have been turned down at just about every business in this county! The only thing I haven't tried is flipping burgers!

Was doing some light construction for about 3 weeks part time & that played out. Haven't had a real job since Oct 2004.

But, I will not give up on the Lord. He has something planned & I just need more patience. It's hard, but what else is there to do except keep praying & keep looking.:depressed

Still have not sold our home yet & can't leave until it sells. But can't keep up the bills much longer without work for me.

Hope everyone is doing ok as I haven't seen anyone on the site for awhile.

[Don Dodson]

Frank:

I humbly and respectfully disagree with your assessment: YOU ARE NOT UNHIRABLE! Somewhere there is an opportunity for you, when the timing and location are right. You have too much experience (what TO DO and what NOT TO DO) for God to waste your talents. But, maybe in the meanwhile you can become a reading volunteer, or help with a community or faith-based group with nothing in mind other than serving God. I know of some people who started doing something as a volunteer and before they knew it, an opening occurred for a paid position.

Anyway, I know you are in an awful feeling situation. So, our prayers continue for you and your family.

Don "Oboeman" Dodson
Vietnam 1969-1970

[Stickthrower]

Thanks Don,
I guess I am just getting flusterated. It seems as if things are going better and then wham! Oh well, Nothing like being tested again. I have no fear, The Lord is with me. I just have to remember that no matter what I will keep the faith and do His bidding, not mine. I just wish my time line and the Lord's were closer together, Ha Ha.

How has things been with you and yours? Haven't seen anyone on line in quite a while. Has been a few new members, but no one seems to be posting. Maybe thats a good thing in that my brothers have things well in hand with the Lord.

God Bless,
Frank

[buckshot]

Almost every job I have had was lost due to not being compliant with some rule with which I disagreed.

How ironic that Jesus has accepted me even when I disobey Him sometimes as well.:skismile: Bumps in the road, poor judgement, bad decisions are some of the ways this fool learns:opps: .

[ReconSGT_OIF]

Good point, BuckShot. I was thinking about that just the other day... I had 2 jobs since I was discharged from the army in 2003, but the reasons I left them were more due to health reasons due to ignoring my PTSD warning signs and having a nervous breakdown.. But I do see myself having issues with that very thing. I find myself trying to resist authority to some extent. Sometimes I feel as though if I dont totally agree with something, that I can just shrug it off. Its almost as if I refuse to accept someone being in a position over me. In retrospect, that bothers me. I dont want to project that image to others, especially because I'm trying to reach others for Christ.

Just my thoughts. :D

[Don Dodson]

Great to see your post; seems like it has been a long while that I have even stopped by. I am sorry that your health is being impacted by your PTSD. I had a flare up last fall after watching the National Public Broadcasting series on WWII. I OD'd on it watching most nights until well after my biological sleep time. When the former fighter pilot said he had enjoyed a good life, raised a good family, kept the grief stuffed away but he knew that a piece of him had died is a result of the war, I lost it! It still brings tears to my eyes. I was back to late 1990's with bad dreams, edgyness, anti-boss issues, and overwhelming grief.

I started a series of visits through the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) with an LCSW (VA says I don't have PTSD ... ) I learned a lot more this time than I had in previous approaches: less carbohydrates, more protein; admit that I am still effected and be more careful metering my death and war doses, and I tried a series of "guided imagery" (www.healthjourneys.com (http://www.healthjourneys.com)) to augment my prayer life. Of course, it is very helpful to be married to a classically trained Homeopath who supports me with her love, homeopathic and Bach Flower remedies. In 1999 I had 2 or 3 Eye Movement Desensitization Reprocessing (www.EMDR.com (http://www.EMDR.com)) but didn't seem like it was as bad this time. Both methods are completely compatible with Christian faith.

May God bless you in His work and support your continued recovery. If it is any help, when I begin to rebel at the idiots I get to work for, I try to remember it is not MY call, since I am a slave (bondservant) to Jesus Christ, who has purchased me on the Cross. If He wants to assign me to work with idiots, who am I to object? ... (easier said than for me to do) :(

Don "Oboeman" Dodson
Vietnam 1969-1970

[buckshot]

I do not think guided imagery is compatible with a walk w/ Christ but then again neither is my poor choice of bad unGodly language of the last couple years.

I know the Holy Spirit is our guide and not a person who takes you down some path that may disappoint.

Jut be careful brother.

[buckshot]

:opps: Yep. I was recently denied for a job at the Goodyear tire plant in Lawton Oklahoma. The interview went really great until he asked why I left the Military. So I told him it was a medical disgharge for PTSD from OIF... and you could tell by the look on his face that he couldnt get me out of the interview room fast enough while still saving face. Thats not the only time recently that I feel potential employment has been crashed. Here is my question... Is it legal to not tell the whole truth about my history to get a job? Because in Oklahoma, I can only draw unemployment for a year. And the VA's piddley 10% they slapped on ptsd gives me a whole $106 a month( wooooooo!:cross-eye ) Not enough to provide for a family of 5. Going to my Voc-Rehab counseling tomorrow morning to see if they will let me go to school to learn something else. Not a whole lot that a burned out artilleryman can do in todays job market.


i would think that would be illegal. Don't vetsget first "dibs" on jobs? You may have a case against this outfit.

[buckshot]

I've been curious if part of my problem looking for work has been my PTSD and Depression. If it can be so apparent on the tests, resumes, interviews that they'll look at others and not me. Mind you I've never had history of alcohol or drug usage. It's been in essence three years since employed. I'm still appealling SSDI.
Has anyone else had this experience in the last 2-5 years?


I was counselled almost 10 yrs at the vet center. The counsellor never mentioned one time that PTSD may be cause for VA benefits and this after causing my family misery in spite of being Christian. I was employed enough to obtain a small pension after becoming disabled and permanent and totally unemployable. Good vet reps are available to help you obtain appropriate VA compensation if you qualify. It is not easy but God willing it can happen. Thank you for serving and may HE bless you.

[buckshot]

Well as of 1200 hrs today I am unemployed. I was terminated by the County due to my PTSD. Reason stated was the Dept Shrink decided in her infinate wisdom I was not able to deal with stress. Despite the fact that my medical Doctor, Therapist and Phsyciatrist have released me to return to duty. Oh well, I guess her 20 minute conversation with me holds more credibility that three other doctors, especially since two of the three I have known for years. Go figure.

Well now it's back to the streets looking for work. Hopefully God's plan for me is not to far out in the future. I have given control of my life over to the Lord as I'm sure He can run it better than I ever could! For I know when I was in control that my life was a nightmare.

I am using my tools for sure. I will not let this get me down! My best tool is believing in the Lord and keeping my faith in Him. For I know his plan is much better that any I could ever come up with on my own.

We are having our first ever Point Man Chapter meeting in Ellensburg, Wa on April 7th. Very appropriate timing I would say!

Brothers I would ask for your prayers for my family and I that work comes along soon. God Bless you all for your support.




It appears you would qualify for a VA claim and have success w/it. Get a good vet rep. DAV, the legion or county vet rep would be great. God bless you.

[Don Dodson]

I do not think guided imagery is compatible with a walk w/ Christ but then again neither is my poor choice of bad unGodly language of the last couple years.

I know the Holy Spirit is our guide and not a person who takes you down some path that may disappoint.

Jut be careful brother.

Buck Shot: How does guided imagery conflict with being guided by the Holy Spirit? It doesn't seem to me that resting comfortably and practicing envisioning the love of God surrounding me is all bad. The participant is fully awake and concious, so I wouldn't be fearful that someone is using subliminal or post-hypnotic suggestion; although I would certainly be cautious about the source of the guided imaging audios. Actually, I DO fall asleep, but that's just me when I get horizontal ... :-)

I'm interested in your view of potential conflict. WELCOME HOME!

Don Dodson
Vietnam 1969-1970

[buckshot]

welcome home to you as well. In the 1980,s Christians were taught about guided imagery and much info was noised abroad re; this method. Ultimately the choice is individual whether to participate in what may lead you away from Christ rather than closer to Him. When in a ptsd class where these methods are used I personally become more alert to what is being put out and HE never allows sleep so the path a person tries to lead one down never strays fro the straight and narrow. A wide pathe leads to destruction so beware of the path and stay awake. Look up brother from where salvation will yet come.

Homeopathic ( I have learned) means there is nothing in it and no benefit from it as far as guided imagery and other "new age" techniques and foods.

In summery, guided imagery is a "new age" technique. "New age" really means old occultism according those ex practitioners of the same. Hal Lindsey Ministries was explaining much of this in the late 80's .

Hope this was somewhat helpfuf. I would post the lindsey site but am not to puter literate.

Bless you BROther.

[buckshot]

At the VA near where I live there are group meetings where the therapist explores various aspects of PTSD in a well organized manner. These meetings have been very helpful regarding various aspects of this uncomfortable subject but the problem does not seem to be disappearing even with the excellent work being done to impart understanding about this thing. Anyway, the woman teaching what she has learned makes much sense. IT is much like the Word makes sense. The difficulty is getting beyond self and practicing what is learned.